Time Heals All Wounds.. And Then Kills the Patient
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Morning
Morning
Thu Jul 10 10:13:34 2003
OSCon report (part 4)
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After the conference yesterday, I went back to my hotel room, sorted the swag, and read up on RSS. On the request of one of my readers, I'll be adding a RSS feed to the next version of netdiary. Still, it looks like there are 2 RSS formats. I wonder if I can do both. :)

Oh, some more on BushJr: here

For some odd reason, I can't get out of my head a song I heard on the radio some time back... here are some lyrics. Google can't find the song (!!).

Have you ever wondered why a monkey acts as if he's high (forgotten line) Well that big banana junkie, that crazy little monkey gets stoked and then he's swinging through the trees If you can identify this song and send me the title and author, let me know :)

I'm getting roughly 20% of my mail at dachte.org, and 80% at the old forward. The lab network here picked up the domain changes a few days ago, and the rest of the net is just a bit slower. I'll be offline starting noon tomorrow when the conference closes *sigh*, so I have part of friday and all of saturday on my own, the conference ending by then. Not sure what I'm going to do yet, although there will no doubt be a lot of picture-taking. Sunday will be mostly spent at the airports. Yuck. Of course, I lose 3 hours....

Finally, my mother sent me some more Xian propoganda. This is interesting stuff though, and it has touched on some ideas I've been chewing on for the last year. Let's respond to it -- I know it's been floating around the web for awhile..

Samuel Thompson wrote:

"I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December.

I don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory of evolution.

Nice ordering there. I wonder though, let's consider the alternatives: Would you object perhaps to your school teaching the Qu'ran, or perhaps teaching that "there are no gods"? How about schools teaching that there is a real Santa Claus, or teaching Thursday as a time to worship Thor (the origin of the word Thursday).

Nobody's talking about suing for people singing Xmas songs in December in the general concept anyhow. They're talking about in the context of school and other government events.

Don't think we don't see the 'his theory' phrasing for what it is either :)

Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game. So what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game. They can talk to their gods, centaurs, and fairies on their own time. Let me ask you -- life, liberty, blah blah won't be endangered by your simply keeping your foolishness to yourself and not asking for government help in pushing it or talking about it. "But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue. Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles. And we are in the Bible Belt. According to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody chanting Hare Krishna? No, it's not. Learn your history. The founding fathers were a real grab-bag of religions, as were the masses. There were atheists, there were deists, there were christians, and there were others.

Anyhow, we're not in the babble belt, and as noted before, it's very easy to have prayers that don't need government endorsement. If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.

And I wouldn't be offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit. When in Rome. .. Would you be happy to let people smoke in your home? You might accept it when visiting a friend, but I suspect you'd feel unhappy if you were forced to breathe that crud in your own place. Like it or not, the United States is my home, and I'm not going to let myself be oppressed here if I can help it. Mindshare matters, and every little step the evangelicals take gives more power to them taking the next. I would never ban your churches, sue you for blasphemy to science, or kill/imprison you for your delusional deities. What I want is a government that isn't a forum for your expression of your belief. History has shown that you, theists, have not granted atheists the same. I don't demand time on the government pulpit talking about my philosophy, or telling you that when you look up in the sky, all you'll find is clouds, planets, and suns. "But what about the atheists?" is another argument. What about them? Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to pass the collection plate.

Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand. Call your lawyer. Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations. Well, how about this. We humour you, you humour us. Give us equal time to talk about why your god doesn't exist, and give equal time to any other group that applies, the muslims, buddhists, and all that, and you can have your christian prayer. No deal? I didn't think so. This is a principle of good government. No special privileges. Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us to pray before eating, to pray before we go to sleep. Our Bible tells us just to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying. God, help us. And if that last sentence offends you, well..........just sue me. Oh you poor things! Just a few paragraphs ago, you had the vast majority of churches and people, and now, gosh, you're so much the wounded party. Sick and tired.. pfeh. You march back on the path of abusing people, and whenever you're held back, you play the victim, whine, and shed tears as the knife is pried back out of your hand. You refer to some mythical christian past, and rely on the ignorance of people to believe in it. It's frustrating -- your followers, sheep, think you're the bee's knees, being used to blind faith and ignorant of science, history, and psychology. Meanwhile, the educated folk see through all your crap, and find it pathetic and sad whenever you open your mouth. Note here I'm addressing the populist evangelicals specifically.. It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray.. you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance, you don't have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right.. but by golly you are no longer going to take our rights away .. we are fighting back.. and we WILL WIN! So, tell me exactly what rights are you saying are being taken away? Is it just that you want to be able to use public offices and events to promote christianity, without offering the same to other faiths? Or is it something else? In essense, where's the beef? I'm hearing a speech that's well composed that would probably be a lot of fun to read to a cheering crowd. It has the right cliches, emotional appeal, and a mix of parts to shout, parts to talk about in quiet anger, and parts to appeal to victims. It doesn't have much content though, and while that might not be a problem for your wide-eyed followers, it's not much of an argument to us. God bless America, despite all her faults.. still the greatest nation of all..... Always the nationalism... always going for base desires.

Well, that's all, folks. Back to the conference for me